Re: LOGO-L> Re: Recursive Stars

[George Mills <mills@softronix.com>]

Michael Tempel wrote:
> 
> At 9:55 AM +0200 12/21/97, Yehuda Katz wrote:
> >Michael Tempel wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >> The designs are wonderful!
> >
> >Michael,
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >> Now why don't you also include the Logo code on your Web Site?
> >
> >These "Pages" are the curriculum of one of my courses. The rationale of
> >it is to define, analyze and then execute each one of them in Logo. If I
> >provide solutions I miss my own goals for that course.
> 
> The is the same discussion that George Mills entered into in repsonse to
> Brian Harvey's article about the internet. Does having "the answer"
> available short circuit learning?  Some people learn best by looking at
> other peoples work and then tinkering with it to make it their own.  Logo
> programming is an ideal environment for this.
> 

Your correct, I thought the same thing when the question was asked.
If he gave all the answers then there would be no challenge to do it
themselves but some folks would still either ignore the code or build
on it. But sometimes it takes a "seed" of code to peak ones interest.

I think the best approach is to have partial or some of the solutions
as a math book does. This allows the teacher to "throttle" the amount of
solutions available by what problems the teacher gives (odd, even or
both).
I think students (myself included) loose interest when "Nothing" is
given in
the way of example solutions or partial solutions. You can learn a lot
by improving or changing an existing piece of code.

This is also why I'm careful of what to choose to put in the MSWLogo
library
for similar reasons. If I thought the way Yehuda did in this case you'd
have no library or examples (which I know Yehuda leverages and enjoys
himself) !!!

> >It goes without
> >saying, that if one day my course will be completely Internetised, I'll
> >include sample solutions.
> >
> 
> Now wait.  How does that follow?
> 
> -Michael
> 
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